Political rants

@dyadka_yar Good response, even if I don't agree. See, now you are actually talking with substance, not feeling. Besides the part with the leftists that is cartoonishly simplified caricature, of rabid goblins trying to tear it all down. Here's how the real progressive operates. We are a coalition. We all agree on what the problems are, as we tend to focus on root causes rather than band aids meant to cover them up. But we are not of one voice. (Even the right is like this, by the way, just look at the reason why several republican seats are resigning lately.) We have varying factions and political philosophies constantly butting heads with each other for minor ideological differences. One group may claim they want to tear it down. I'm more in favor of reintroducing a lot of the old social infrastructure we had coming out of the depression. Just this time less exclusive to white people. A few revamps here and there to modernize it for the nation. That should be a serviceable enough system that would let me get my head above the water again long enough to build a disposable income instead of drifting into an out of poverty every time something breaks, or my health goes south. I don't personally think I have a lot of time left. So then. You'd be right. There are in fact multiple factions at play, and the game was never black and white. This is how the real world functions. Ah yes, MK Ultra. Classic. Yet another leftist conspiracy theory that aged pretty damn well. I agree with you. The furthest they got was the ability to tap into egregores, bu-... Sorry, getting into occultism here. Anyways, the paper trail with the government ends. Ideological Subversion however has its origins in that foreign interference I was telling you about earlier. It started as a KGB tactic. By the way, the current Kremlin of Russia is a former KGB agent. His version of Russia keeps the authoritarianism of Stalin, but swings more towards Oligarchical Capitalism. (Or Kleptocracy if you want to get technical.) So... Back to QAnon? That's the difference to how Putin plays the game compared to Stalin. Most of the examples of it I used to have seem to have been scrubbed clean since the capital riots. That tells me that homeland security is doing their job. And yeah, that's why I told you to avoid Reddit! Same with Twitter and TicTok! But uh... About 4chan, I don't think you realize just how influential pol users they are to culture. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7t97jxMSBw

@chocopyro Now we are really getting some common ground here. Once again we have different methods and I can see the merit of yours. My main issue with the FDR method is that it should not be on a federal level, but a state level. Mostly because when it comes to government corruption it is limited to individual pockets rather than ruining millions of people across the entire country. While it would be ideal that government corruption would be eradicated, but we know better. My main counter to the point that progressive leftist movement is not co-opted by bad actors and devilish characters is Hasan Piker. Now granted he has fallen quite a bit in viewership, but when he is one of the most viewed leftists in alternative media then we have a bunch of mini Hasan Pikers running around then that is indicating a rot in the political movement. To me your FDR reconstructionist view is perfectly reasonable. However on a wider scale I feel that the same theing happened to your position that did to mine during the Bush era. The more reasonable members of conservatism were replaced by authoritarian elements that were abusing the system and movement as a power grab. To me, the same thing has happened to the progressive leftist movement. As far as MKUltra goes. I suspect that the experiments are still going on, or at the very least a spiritual successor. Namely the one with the DMT drips that are supposedly being used to map out the DMT realm. When it comes to ideological subversion, we are dealing with a three headed monster between Russia, China and our own nation. The process of demoralization is complete as nobody can come to agreement as to what is good, bad or any sort of compromise. Destabilization is going to be real ugly of which I suspect we are in the beginning stages of right now. The main reason I suspect QAnon being an internal plot is that it delegitimizes all within the group, namely the opposition to the current power structure. It begs the question. How can you take the opposition seriously when they speak utter nonsense? The only thing I remember was one story that Donald Trump was going to return to the presidency a month or two after the official ascension to the office of Joe Biden which made no legal sense whatsoever. So the only people profiting from this are the ones who are currently in the established power structure. Now when it comes to 4Chan, it has the ability to change culture on a small scale. If people think that Donald Trump won in 2016 due to a meme frog it is a bit outrageous. Did they help? Oh absolutely, but not to the extent that the election would have been lost without them. One thing to keep in mind is that the average age demographic of 4chan is primarily Millennials and that demographic didn't do too much for Trump in that election. On a microcosmic scale, 4Chan is a terrifying force. On a macrocosmic scale they are extremely limited as to their abilities.

There's a new doc on Netflix about 4Chan. I got like 45 mins in only though. Kinda interesting how it appears that the nazis everyone was afraid of on 4Chan were just a bunch of emboldened shut ins, nerds and otakus. I'm not saying real nazis didn't rear for real, but much of it was just them pushing boundaries to see what they could get away with. I'm at the point where the factions are appearing and looks to be around the time Occupy was starting.

Yeah a lot of people on 4chan were just shut ins, nerds and otakus. A whole lot of people there were more anarchist-oriented as opposed to fascist even. However there definitely was a change, /pol/ is now a cesspool of Hitler posters, Russia simps, and maniacs. I stopped using 4chan regularly long before the chuds took over so idk really now how it went down but already back then there was a lot of pushbacks against those hoi4 playing edgelords

https://youtu.be/BVX_lymUbTY?si=v3uE202TnqAN0QPi This abortion commercial is hilarious. Lol I would howl if I saw that in public for the first time.